If you had hopes for Tom Holland’s Peter Parker to encounter the Venom symbiote in next year’s Avengers: Infinity War and quickly pass it off to Tom Hardy’s Eddie Brock just in time for Sony’s Venom movie five months later, it’s time to move on to the next fan theory.

Spider-Man: Homecoming producer Amy Pascal got fans all riled up earlier this month when she told Filmstarts that the 2018 Venom film, as well as a planned Silver Sable and Black Cat spinoff, “will all take place in the world that we’re now creating for Peter Parker [with next month’s Homecoming].” This contradicted previous reports that Venom and Silver and Black would be part of Sony’s Marvel Universe and not included in the established Marvel Cinematic Universe that Spider-Man now calls home.

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Pascal walked those comments back in several subsequent interviews to promote Homecoming, and again noted that both spinoffs are not connected to the MCU. “Spider-Man is now part of the MCU, as he was created to be in the beginning,” Pascal told Fandango. “The other things that Sony are doing, which are characters from the Marvel comic book universe, are independent, separate franchises – both Venom and Silver Sable and Black Cat.”

In other words, don’t expect to see Spidey and Venom team up to hunt down Carnage on the big screen anytime soon.

This always made the most sense, and jives with everything that has been reported about Sony and Marvel Studios’ two-year-old deal to share Spider-Man. While Sony continues to distribute and profit off Spider-Man standalone movies – beginning with Homecoming – the deal crucially states that creative control shifts to Marvel Studios (with Sony getting some veto power). Run by president Kevin Feige, Marvel Studios has built the wildly successful MCU from the ground up over nearly a decade. Feige has a tight grip on the MCU and has carefully plotted-out plans for its future; he has little reason to allow another studio to set a film in his sandbox and potentially wreck things up.

Venom, directed by Ruben Fleischer and starring Hardy, is expected to shoot for an R-rating. That will serve to differentiate it from the more family-friendly PG-13 land of the MCU.

Spider-Man: Homecoming opens on July 7, with Spider-Man’s next MCU appearance to come in Avengers: Infinity War on May 4, 2018. Venom will kick off Sony’s Marvel Universe on October 5, 2018, with Gina Prince-Bythewood’s Silver and Black to follow on an unannounced date.